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		<title>The Determinant and the Signature</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;EltouPassi: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;http://www.textrobasvich.com &lt;br /&gt;
{{Manual TOC Sidebar}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Startup Note}}&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;!--$$?KnotDet$$--&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;!--Robot Land, no human edits to &amp;quot;END&amp;quot;--&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
{{HelpLine|&lt;br /&gt;
n  = 1 |&lt;br /&gt;
in = &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;KnotDet&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; |&lt;br /&gt;
out= &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;KnotDet[K] returns the determinant of a knot K.&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;!--END--&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;!--$$?KnotSignature$$--&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;!--Robot Land, no human edits to &amp;quot;END&amp;quot;--&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
{{HelpLine|&lt;br /&gt;
n  = 2 |&lt;br /&gt;
in = &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;KnotSignature&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; |&lt;br /&gt;
out= &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;KnotSignature[K] returns the signature of a knot K.&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;!--END--&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Thus, for example, the knots [[5_1]] and [[10_132]] have the same determinant (and even the same Alexander and Jones polynomials), but different signatures:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Knot Image Pair|5_1|gif|10_132|gif}}&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;!--$$KnotDet /@ {Knot[5, 1], Knot[10, 132]}$$--&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;!--Robot Land, no human edits to &amp;quot;END&amp;quot;--&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
{{InOut|&lt;br /&gt;
n  = 3 |&lt;br /&gt;
in = &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;KnotDet /@ {Knot[5, 1], Knot[10, 132]}&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; |&lt;br /&gt;
out= &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;{5, 5}&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;!--END--&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;!--$${&lt;br /&gt;
  Equal @@ (Jones[#][q]&amp;amp; /@ {Knot[5, 1], Knot[10, 132]}),&lt;br /&gt;
  Equal @@ (Alexander[#][t]&amp;amp; /@ {Knot[5, 1], Knot[10, 132]})&lt;br /&gt;
}$$--&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;!--Robot Land, no human edits to &amp;quot;END&amp;quot;--&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
{{InOut|&lt;br /&gt;
n  = 4 |&lt;br /&gt;
in = &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;{&lt;br /&gt;
  Equal @@ (Jones[#][q]&amp;amp; /@ {Knot[5, 1], Knot[10, 132]}),&lt;br /&gt;
  Equal @@ (Alexander[#][t]&amp;amp; /@ {Knot[5, 1], Knot[10, 132]})&lt;br /&gt;
}&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; |&lt;br /&gt;
out= &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;{True, True}&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;!--END--&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;!--$$KnotSignature /@ {Knot[5, 1], Knot[10, 132]}$$--&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;!--Robot Land, no human edits to &amp;quot;END&amp;quot;--&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
{{InOut|&lt;br /&gt;
n  = 5 |&lt;br /&gt;
in = &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;KnotSignature /@ {Knot[5, 1], Knot[10, 132]}&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; |&lt;br /&gt;
out= &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;{-4, 0}&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;!--END--&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In August 2005 somebody emailed [[User:Drorbn|Dror]] a question about knot colouring, which amounted to &amp;quot;find the first knot (other than the unknot) whose determinant is &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\pm 1&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;&amp;quot;. So on September 2&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;nd&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; Dror typed&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;!--$$Select[AllKnots[], Abs[KnotDet[#]] == 1 &amp;amp;]$$--&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;!--Robot Land, no human edits to &amp;quot;END&amp;quot;--&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
{{InOut|&lt;br /&gt;
n  = 6 |&lt;br /&gt;
in = &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;Select[AllKnots[], Abs[KnotDet[#]] == 1 &amp;amp;]&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; |&lt;br /&gt;
out= &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;{Knot[0, 1], Knot[10, 124], Knot[10, 153], &lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
  Knot[11, NonAlternating, 34], Knot[11, NonAlternating, 42], &lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
  Knot[11, NonAlternating, 49], Knot[11, NonAlternating, 116]}&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;!--END--&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Hence the first few knots that are not &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;k&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;-colourable for any &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;k&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; are [[10_124]], [[10_153]], [[K11n34]], [[K11n42]], [[K11n49]] and [[K11n116]].&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Knot Image|K11n116|gif}}&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>EltouPassi</name></author>
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