https://katlas.org/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Talk%3A9_1_Quick_Notes 2026-04-21T05:18:47Z Revision history for this page on the wiki MediaWiki 1.39.6 https://katlas.org/index.php?title=Talk:9_1_Quick_Notes&diff=1694223&oldid=prev 2010-02-04T14:10:32Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 10:10, 4 February 2010</td> </tr><tr> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 12:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 12:</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:I half agree. I agree that the names "septoil" and "nonoil" seem like an invention by [http://www.popmath.org.uk/exhib/pagesexhib/linknfam.html], and that's not justification enough to using them, and that "septafoil" and "nonafoil" are much better. Yet I (we?) have no evidence that "septafoil" and "nonafoil" were ever used as named of knots, so I don't feel comfortable writing something like "7_1 is also known as The Septafoil Knot" - I don't know that it is known that way to anyone but you and me. Hence the halfhearted edits that I've made. Feel free to modify. [[User:Drorbn|Drorbn]] 06:55, 4 February 2010 (EST)</div></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:I half agree. I agree that the names "septoil" and "nonoil" seem like an invention by [http://www.popmath.org.uk/exhib/pagesexhib/linknfam.html], and that's not justification enough to using them, and that "septafoil" and "nonafoil" are much better. Yet I (we?) have no evidence that "septafoil" and "nonafoil" were ever used as named of knots, so I don't feel comfortable writing something like "7_1 is also known as The Septafoil Knot" - I don't know that it is known that way to anyone but you and me. Hence the halfhearted edits that I've made. Feel free to modify. [[User:Drorbn|Drorbn]] 06:55, 4 February 2010 (EST)</div></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td> <td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::Well the trefoil knot was named after the trefoil (three-petalled flower) of traditional heraldry or decorative art, and the cinquefoil knot was named after the cinquefoil (five-petalled flower) of traditional heraldry or decorative art, so it seems only reasonable to name the 7-fold knot after a decorative 7-petalled flower and the 9-fold knot after a decorative 9-petalled flower<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">..</del>. But I have no problem with the "perhaps" you included. [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 08:57, 4 February 2010 (EST)</div></td> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td> <td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::Well the trefoil knot was named after the trefoil (three-petalled flower) of traditional heraldry or decorative art, and the cinquefoil knot was named after the cinquefoil (five-petalled flower) of traditional heraldry or decorative art, so it seems only reasonable to name the 7-fold knot after a decorative 7-petalled flower and the 9-fold knot after a decorative 9-petalled flower. But I have no problem with the "perhaps" you included<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, thanks..</ins>. [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 08:57, 4 February 2010 (EST)</div></td> </tr> </table>

AnonMoos https://katlas.org/index.php?title=Talk:9_1_Quick_Notes&diff=1694221&oldid=prev 2010-02-04T14:00:41Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 10:00, 4 February 2010</td> </tr><tr> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 12:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 12:</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:I half agree. I agree that the names "septoil" and "nonoil" seem like an invention by [http://www.popmath.org.uk/exhib/pagesexhib/linknfam.html], and that's not justification enough to using them, and that "septafoil" and "nonafoil" are much better. Yet I (we?) have no evidence that "septafoil" and "nonafoil" were ever used as named of knots, so I don't feel comfortable writing something like "7_1 is also known as The Septafoil Knot" - I don't know that it is known that way to anyone but you and me. Hence the halfhearted edits that I've made. Feel free to modify. [[User:Drorbn|Drorbn]] 06:55, 4 February 2010 (EST)</div></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:I half agree. I agree that the names "septoil" and "nonoil" seem like an invention by [http://www.popmath.org.uk/exhib/pagesexhib/linknfam.html], and that's not justification enough to using them, and that "septafoil" and "nonafoil" are much better. Yet I (we?) have no evidence that "septafoil" and "nonafoil" were ever used as named of knots, so I don't feel comfortable writing something like "7_1 is also known as The Septafoil Knot" - I don't know that it is known that way to anyone but you and me. Hence the halfhearted edits that I've made. Feel free to modify. [[User:Drorbn|Drorbn]] 06:55, 4 February 2010 (EST)</div></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td> <td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::Well the trefoil knot was named after the trefoil (three-petalled flower) of traditional heraldry or decorative art, and the cinquefoil knot was named after the cinquefoil (five-petalled flower) of traditional heraldry or decorative art, so it seems only reasonable to name the 7-fold knot after a decorative 7-petalled flower and the 9-fold knot after a decorative 9-petalled flower... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 08:57, 4 February 2010 (EST)</div></td> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td> <td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::Well the trefoil knot was named after the trefoil (three-petalled flower) of traditional heraldry or decorative art, and the cinquefoil knot was named after the cinquefoil (five-petalled flower) of traditional heraldry or decorative art, so it seems only reasonable to name the 7-fold knot after a decorative 7-petalled flower and the 9-fold knot after a decorative 9-petalled flower..<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. But I have no problem with the "perhaps" you included</ins>. [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 08:57, 4 February 2010 (EST)</div></td> </tr> </table>

AnonMoos https://katlas.org/index.php?title=Talk:9_1_Quick_Notes&diff=1694220&oldid=prev 2010-02-04T13:58:56Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 09:58, 4 February 2010</td> </tr><tr> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 12:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 12:</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:I half agree. I agree that the names "septoil" and "nonoil" seem like an invention by [http://www.popmath.org.uk/exhib/pagesexhib/linknfam.html], and that's not justification enough to using them, and that "septafoil" and "nonafoil" are much better. Yet I (we?) have no evidence that "septafoil" and "nonafoil" were ever used as named of knots, so I don't feel comfortable writing something like "7_1 is also known as The Septafoil Knot" - I don't know that it is known that way to anyone but you and me. Hence the halfhearted edits that I've made. Feel free to modify. [[User:Drorbn|Drorbn]] 06:55, 4 February 2010 (EST)</div></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:I half agree. I agree that the names "septoil" and "nonoil" seem like an invention by [http://www.popmath.org.uk/exhib/pagesexhib/linknfam.html], and that's not justification enough to using them, and that "septafoil" and "nonafoil" are much better. Yet I (we?) have no evidence that "septafoil" and "nonafoil" were ever used as named of knots, so I don't feel comfortable writing something like "7_1 is also known as The Septafoil Knot" - I don't know that it is known that way to anyone but you and me. Hence the halfhearted edits that I've made. Feel free to modify. [[User:Drorbn|Drorbn]] 06:55, 4 February 2010 (EST)</div></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td> <td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::Well the trefoil knot was named after the trefoil (three-petalled flower) of traditional heraldry or decorative art, and the cinquefoil knot was named after the cinquefoil (five-petalled flower) of traditional heraldry or decorative art, so it seems only <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">reaonable</del> to name the 7-fold knot after a decorative 7-petalled flower and the 9-fold knot after a decorative 9-petalled flower... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 08:57, 4 February 2010 (EST)</div></td> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td> <td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::Well the trefoil knot was named after the trefoil (three-petalled flower) of traditional heraldry or decorative art, and the cinquefoil knot was named after the cinquefoil (five-petalled flower) of traditional heraldry or decorative art, so it seems only <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">reasonable</ins> to name the 7-fold knot after a decorative 7-petalled flower and the 9-fold knot after a decorative 9-petalled flower... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 08:57, 4 February 2010 (EST)</div></td> </tr> </table>

AnonMoos https://katlas.org/index.php?title=Talk:9_1_Quick_Notes&diff=1694219&oldid=prev 2010-02-04T13:57:40Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 09:57, 4 February 2010</td> </tr><tr> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 11:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 11:</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:I half agree. I agree that the names "septoil" and "nonoil" seem like an invention by [http://www.popmath.org.uk/exhib/pagesexhib/linknfam.html], and that's not justification enough to using them, and that "septafoil" and "nonafoil" are much better. Yet I (we?) have no evidence that "septafoil" and "nonafoil" were ever used as named of knots, so I don't feel comfortable writing something like "7_1 is also known as The Septafoil Knot" - I don't know that it is known that way to anyone but you and me. Hence the halfhearted edits that I've made. Feel free to modify. [[User:Drorbn|Drorbn]] 06:55, 4 February 2010 (EST)</div></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:I half agree. I agree that the names "septoil" and "nonoil" seem like an invention by [http://www.popmath.org.uk/exhib/pagesexhib/linknfam.html], and that's not justification enough to using them, and that "septafoil" and "nonafoil" are much better. Yet I (we?) have no evidence that "septafoil" and "nonafoil" were ever used as named of knots, so I don't feel comfortable writing something like "7_1 is also known as The Septafoil Knot" - I don't know that it is known that way to anyone but you and me. Hence the halfhearted edits that I've made. Feel free to modify. [[User:Drorbn|Drorbn]] 06:55, 4 February 2010 (EST)</div></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" class="diff-empty diff-side-deleted"></td> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td> <td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" class="diff-empty diff-side-deleted"></td> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td> <td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::Well the trefoil knot was named after the trefoil (three-petalled flower) of traditional heraldry or decorative art, and the cinquefoil knot was named after the cinquefoil (five-petalled flower) of traditional heraldry or decorative art, so it seems only reaonable to name the 7-fold knot after a decorative 7-petalled flower and the 9-fold knot after a decorative 9-petalled flower... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 08:57, 4 February 2010 (EST)</div></td> </tr> </table>

AnonMoos https://katlas.org/index.php?title=Talk:9_1_Quick_Notes&diff=1694214&oldid=prev 2010-02-04T11:55:31Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 07:55, 4 February 2010</td> </tr><tr> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 8:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 8:</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::Hmmm. The top result on your search, [http://www.popmath.org.uk/exhib/pagesexhib/linknfam.html], may well have been my original source. it seems familiar, and the date of last change on that page is November 15, 2002 9:46:38 AM, which is before I started working on the knot atlas. [[User:Drorbn|Drorbn]] 06:39, 3 February 2010 (EST)</div></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::Hmmm. The top result on your search, [http://www.popmath.org.uk/exhib/pagesexhib/linknfam.html], may well have been my original source. it seems familiar, and the date of last change on that page is November 15, 2002 9:46:38 AM, which is before I started working on the knot atlas. [[User:Drorbn|Drorbn]] 06:39, 3 February 2010 (EST)</div></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td> <td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>OK, as nearly as I can deduce without going through a lot of irrelevant links about "non-petroleum" and abbreviated "September oil", "Septoil" and "Nonoil" are not very solidly-established terminology, while "Septafoil" and "Nonafoil" appear a number of times on-line with the meaning of a seven- or nine-petalled flower, and "Septemfoil" (with an "m") is listed in the OED (again<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"> </del> with the meaning of a seven-petalled flower) but does not get many Google hits. I would advise dumping Septoil and Nonoil unless more specific evidence can be found that they're somewhat accepted or standard usage. [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 21:55, 3 February 2010 (EST)</div></td> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td> <td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>OK, as nearly as I can deduce without going through a lot of irrelevant links about "non-petroleum" and abbreviated "September oil", "Septoil" and "Nonoil" are not very solidly-established terminology, while "Septafoil" and "Nonafoil" appear a number of times on-line with the meaning of a seven- or nine-petalled flower, and "Septemfoil" (with an "m") is listed in the OED (again with the meaning of a seven-petalled flower) but does not get many Google hits. I would advise dumping Septoil and Nonoil unless more specific evidence can be found that they're somewhat accepted or standard usage. [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 21:55, 3 February 2010 (EST)</div></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" class="diff-empty diff-side-deleted"></td> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td> <td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" class="diff-empty diff-side-deleted"></td> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td> <td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:I half agree. I agree that the names "septoil" and "nonoil" seem like an invention by [http://www.popmath.org.uk/exhib/pagesexhib/linknfam.html], and that's not justification enough to using them, and that "septafoil" and "nonafoil" are much better. Yet I (we?) have no evidence that "septafoil" and "nonafoil" were ever used as named of knots, so I don't feel comfortable writing something like "7_1 is also known as The Septafoil Knot" - I don't know that it is known that way to anyone but you and me. Hence the halfhearted edits that I've made. Feel free to modify. [[User:Drorbn|Drorbn]] 06:55, 4 February 2010 (EST)</div></td> </tr> </table>

Drorbn https://katlas.org/index.php?title=Talk:9_1_Quick_Notes&diff=1694210&oldid=prev 2010-02-04T02:55:40Z

<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Nonoil - Nonafoil.</span></span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 22:55, 3 February 2010</td> </tr><tr> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 7:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 7:</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::Hmmm. The top result on your search, [http://www.popmath.org.uk/exhib/pagesexhib/linknfam.html], may well have been my original source. it seems familiar, and the date of last change on that page is November 15, 2002 9:46:38 AM, which is before I started working on the knot atlas. [[User:Drorbn|Drorbn]] 06:39, 3 February 2010 (EST)</div></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::Hmmm. The top result on your search, [http://www.popmath.org.uk/exhib/pagesexhib/linknfam.html], may well have been my original source. it seems familiar, and the date of last change on that page is November 15, 2002 9:46:38 AM, which is before I started working on the knot atlas. [[User:Drorbn|Drorbn]] 06:39, 3 February 2010 (EST)</div></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" class="diff-empty diff-side-deleted"></td> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td> <td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" class="diff-empty diff-side-deleted"></td> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td> <td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>OK, as nearly as I can deduce without going through a lot of irrelevant links about "non-petroleum" and abbreviated "September oil", "Septoil" and "Nonoil" are not very solidly-established terminology, while "Septafoil" and "Nonafoil" appear a number of times on-line with the meaning of a seven- or nine-petalled flower, and "Septemfoil" (with an "m") is listed in the OED (again with the meaning of a seven-petalled flower) but does not get many Google hits. I would advise dumping Septoil and Nonoil unless more specific evidence can be found that they're somewhat accepted or standard usage. [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 21:55, 3 February 2010 (EST)</div></td> </tr> </table>

AnonMoos https://katlas.org/index.php?title=Talk:9_1_Quick_Notes&diff=1694204&oldid=prev 2010-02-03T11:39:51Z

<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Nonoil - Nonafoil.</span></span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 07:39, 3 February 2010</td> </tr><tr> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 6:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 6:</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::This search [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;ie=ISO-8859-1&amp;q=%2Bnonoil+knot+-%22knot+atlas%22&amp;btnG=Search] is the best I could find, and it almost entirely turns up references to "non-oil" (i.e. non-petroleum), so I'm having great difficulty determining how many of the search hits are references to knots at all... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 12:51, 2 February 2010 (EST)</div></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::This search [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;ie=ISO-8859-1&amp;q=%2Bnonoil+knot+-%22knot+atlas%22&amp;btnG=Search] is the best I could find, and it almost entirely turns up references to "non-oil" (i.e. non-petroleum), so I'm having great difficulty determining how many of the search hits are references to knots at all... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 12:51, 2 February 2010 (EST)</div></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td> <td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::Hmmm. The top result on your search, [http://www.popmath.org.uk/exhib/pagesexhib/linknfam.html], may well have been my original source. it seems familiar, and the date of last change on that page is November 15, 2002 9:46:38 AM, which is before I started working on the knot atlas.</div></td> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td> <td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::Hmmm. The top result on your search, [http://www.popmath.org.uk/exhib/pagesexhib/linknfam.html], may well have been my original source. it seems familiar, and the date of last change on that page is November 15, 2002 9:46:38 AM, which is before I started working on the knot atlas.<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"> [[User:Drorbn|Drorbn]] 06:39, 3 February 2010 (EST)</ins></div></td> </tr> </table>

Drorbn https://katlas.org/index.php?title=Talk:9_1_Quick_Notes&diff=1694203&oldid=prev 2010-02-03T11:39:14Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 07:39, 3 February 2010</td> </tr><tr> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 5:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 5:</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::This search [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;ie=ISO-8859-1&amp;q=%2Bnonoil+knot+-%22knot+atlas%22&amp;btnG=Search] is the best I could find, and it almost entirely turns up references to "non-oil" (i.e. non-petroleum), so I'm having great difficulty determining how many of the search hits are references to knots at all... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 12:51, 2 February 2010 (EST)</div></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::This search [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;ie=ISO-8859-1&amp;q=%2Bnonoil+knot+-%22knot+atlas%22&amp;btnG=Search] is the best I could find, and it almost entirely turns up references to "non-oil" (i.e. non-petroleum), so I'm having great difficulty determining how many of the search hits are references to knots at all... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 12:51, 2 February 2010 (EST)</div></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" class="diff-empty diff-side-deleted"></td> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td> <td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" class="diff-empty diff-side-deleted"></td> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td> <td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::Hmmm. The top result on your search, [http://www.popmath.org.uk/exhib/pagesexhib/linknfam.html], may well have been my original source. it seems familiar, and the date of last change on that page is November 15, 2002 9:46:38 AM, which is before I started working on the knot atlas.</div></td> </tr> </table>

Drorbn https://katlas.org/index.php?title=Talk:9_1_Quick_Notes&diff=1694196&oldid=prev 2010-02-02T17:52:12Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 13:52, 2 February 2010</td> </tr><tr> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 4:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 4:</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:I agree. Yet at the time - a few years ago - I web-searched for the name, and only found nonoil. By now I have forgotten where I've found the name, and by now the presence of "nonoil" on the knot atlas corrupts the search - google comes up with nonoil at the knot atlas, and if we see nonoil elsewhere, we cannot know if it is "genuine" or copied from us. Likewise for the [[7_1|septoil]]. [[User:Drorbn|Drorbn]] 06:59, 2 February 2010 (EST)</div></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:I agree. Yet at the time - a few years ago - I web-searched for the name, and only found nonoil. By now I have forgotten where I've found the name, and by now the presence of "nonoil" on the knot atlas corrupts the search - google comes up with nonoil at the knot atlas, and if we see nonoil elsewhere, we cannot know if it is "genuine" or copied from us. Likewise for the [[7_1|septoil]]. [[User:Drorbn|Drorbn]] 06:59, 2 February 2010 (EST)</div></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td> <td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::This search [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;ie=ISO-8859-1&amp;q=%2Bnonoil+knot+-%22knot+atlas%22&amp;btnG=Search] is the best I could find, and it almost entirely turns up references to "non-oil" (i.e. non-petroleum), so I'm having great difficulty determining how many are references to knots at all... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 12:51, 2 February 2010 (EST)</div></td> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td> <td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::This search [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;ie=ISO-8859-1&amp;q=%2Bnonoil+knot+-%22knot+atlas%22&amp;btnG=Search] is the best I could find, and it almost entirely turns up references to "non-oil" (i.e. non-petroleum), so I'm having great difficulty determining how many<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"> of the search hits</ins> are references to knots at all... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 12:51, 2 February 2010 (EST)</div></td> </tr> </table>

AnonMoos https://katlas.org/index.php?title=Talk:9_1_Quick_Notes&diff=1694195&oldid=prev 2010-02-02T17:51:50Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 13:51, 2 February 2010</td> </tr><tr> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 1:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 1:</td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" class="diff-empty diff-side-deleted"></td> <td class="diff-marker"><a class="mw-diff-movedpara-right" title="Paragraph was moved. Click to jump to old location." href="#movedpara_3_0_lhs">&#x26AB;</a></td> <td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><a name="movedpara_0_0_rhs"></a>== Nonoil - Nonafoil. ==</div></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Linguistically, should be more like "nonafoil" ... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 08:43, 1 February 2010 (EST)</div></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Linguistically, should be more like "nonafoil" ... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 08:43, 1 February 2010 (EST)</div></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" class="diff-empty diff-side-deleted"></td> <td class="diff-marker"><a class="mw-diff-movedpara-right" title="Paragraph was moved. Click to jump to old location." href="#movedpara_4_1_lhs">&#x26AB;</a></td> <td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><a name="movedpara_2_0_rhs"></a><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:</ins>I agree. Yet at the time - a few years ago - I web-searched for the name, and only found nonoil. By now I have forgotten where I've found the name, and by now the presence of "nonoil" on the knot atlas corrupts the search - google comes up with nonoil at the knot atlas, and if we see nonoil elsewhere, we cannot know if it is "genuine" or copied from us. Likewise for the [[7_1|septoil]].<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"> [[User:Drorbn|Drorbn]] 06:59, 2 February 2010 (EST)</ins></div></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"><a class="mw-diff-movedpara-left" title="Paragraph was moved. Click to jump to new location." href="#movedpara_0_0_rhs">&#x26AB;</a></td> <td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><a name="movedpara_3_0_lhs"></a>== Nonoil - Nonafoil. ==</div></td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-empty diff-side-added"></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td> <td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /></td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-empty diff-side-added"></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"><a class="mw-diff-movedpara-left" title="Paragraph was moved. Click to jump to new location." href="#movedpara_2_0_rhs">&#x26AB;</a></td> <td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><a name="movedpara_4_1_lhs"></a>I agree. Yet at the time - a few years ago - I web-searched for the name, and only found nonoil. By now I have forgotten where I've found the name, and by now the presence of "nonoil" on the knot atlas corrupts the search - google comes up with nonoil at the knot atlas, and if we see nonoil elsewhere, we cannot know if it is "genuine" or copied from us. Likewise for the [[7_1|septoil]].</div></td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-empty diff-side-added"></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /></td> <td class="diff-marker"></td> <td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" class="diff-empty diff-side-deleted"></td> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td> <td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::This search [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;ie=ISO-8859-1&amp;q=%2Bnonoil+knot+-%22knot+atlas%22&amp;btnG=Search] is the best I could find, and it almost entirely turns up references to "non-oil" (i.e. non-petroleum), so I'm having great difficulty determining how many are references to knots at all... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] 12:51, 2 February 2010 (EST)</div></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td> <td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[User:Drorbn|Drorbn]] 06:59, 2 February 2010 (EST)</div></td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-empty diff-side-added"></td> </tr> </table>

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