Talk:9 1 Quick Notes

Nonoil - Nonafoil.

Linguistically, should be more like "nonafoil" ... AnonMoos 08:43, 1 February 2010 (EST)

I agree. Yet at the time - a few years ago - I web-searched for the name, and only found nonoil. By now I have forgotten where I've found the name, and by now the presence of "nonoil" on the knot atlas corrupts the search - google comes up with nonoil at the knot atlas, and if we see nonoil elsewhere, we cannot know if it is "genuine" or copied from us. Likewise for the septoil. Drorbn 06:59, 2 February 2010 (EST)

This search [1] is the best I could find, and it almost entirely turns up references to "non-oil" (i.e. non-petroleum), so I'm having great difficulty determining how many of the search hits are references to knots at all... AnonMoos 12:51, 2 February 2010 (EST)

Hmmm. The top result on your search, [2], may well have been my original source. it seems familiar, and the date of last change on that page is November 15, 2002 9:46:38 AM, which is before I started working on the knot atlas. Drorbn 06:39, 3 February 2010 (EST)

OK, as nearly as I can deduce without going through a lot of irrelevant links about "non-petroleum" and abbreviated "September oil", "Septoil" and "Nonoil" are not very solidly-established terminology, while "Septafoil" and "Nonafoil" appear a number of times on-line with the meaning of a seven- or nine-petalled flower, and "Septemfoil" (with an "m") is listed in the OED (again with the meaning of a seven-petalled flower) but does not get many Google hits. I would advise dumping Septoil and Nonoil unless more specific evidence can be found that they're somewhat accepted or standard usage. AnonMoos 21:55, 3 February 2010 (EST)

I half agree. I agree that the names "septoil" and "nonoil" seem like an invention by [3], and that's not justification enough to using them, and that "septafoil" and "nonafoil" are much better. Yet I (we?) have no evidence that "septafoil" and "nonafoil" were ever used as named of knots, so I don't feel comfortable writing something like "7_1 is also known as The Septafoil Knot" - I don't know that it is known that way to anyone but you and me. Hence the halfhearted edits that I've made. Feel free to modify. Drorbn 06:55, 4 February 2010 (EST)

Well the trefoil knot was named after the trefoil (three-petalled flower) of traditional heraldry or decorative art, and the cinquefoil knot was named after the cinquefoil (five-petalled flower) of traditional heraldry or decorative art, so it seems only reasonable to name the 7-fold knot after a decorative 7-petalled flower and the 9-fold knot after a decorative 9-petalled flower. But I have no problem with the "perhaps" you included, thanks... AnonMoos 08:57, 4 February 2010 (EST)